Five years of cooperation between MBO and SURF: where are we now?

The MBO joined the SURF cooperative in 2014. This has led to more intensive collaboration between saMBO-IT, the MBO's IT collaboration organisation, and SURF. We look back with two gentlemen who were at the cradle of saMBO-IT: Jan Bartling and Ben Geerdink. A discussion about cooperation and strategy, and about successes and wishes.